What should we think of Hanna Reitsch and Melitta von Stauffenberg, ‘the women who flew for Hitler’?

Both were record-breaking, fearless test pilots – at a time when there were no female test pilots in the air over Britain or America – and yet both sustained the Nazi war machine.

Join Oswin and Carla as we navigate this complex and messy world – a world in which one of these women changed her mind and tried to change history.

Throughout, we are guided by the historian Clare Mulley, who shows us that nothing is as simple as it looks.